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If I Believed in Ashley…

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You can probably bet from yesterday’s post that I do not take a very high view of atheism, mostly because it does not have the intellectual vigor it claims to have to for the conscious individual. Even though atheists/agnostics claim to have the ‘upper hand’ with intellectual arguments, I will show you how this is easily not the case. I have read Ashley’s post on ‘If I believe in God’ rant about how anti-intellectual Christians seem when it comes to proving the existence of God. Beside the usual ramblings about how factually objective the writer seems to be, let me begin by pointing out a couple of already refuted claims she makes on this blog.

“The geological and fossil record tells us that the earth was not created in seven days. There was no Garden of Eden filled with modern animals at the beginning of the Earth because modern animals came much later. And so forth.”

 Clearly Ashley has not really read the Bible clearly; it states that the universe was created in six not seven days as she posits it. If one is ever going to make an assertion, at least get the facts straight. Apart from that, let me out something more important: the fossil records. Contrary to her claim, the fossil records have little or no evidence to show a contradiction in the existence for the Garden of Eden. At most, the records would count as proof of a universal flood as recorded in Genesis 6.

“In fact, almost every verse in the first chapters of Genesis is contradicted by easily observable reality. Even the creation of Eve from Adam’s rib cannot be true. That would make, Adam and Eve, and their descendants, us, be genetically identical. Obviously we are not.”

And here goes my challenge to Ashley’s claim: what observable realities does she talk about that contradict Genesis specifically? There really is no specific piece of evidences she cites that points to this contradiction. If she is going to say anything worthwhile, at least cite a proof here.

Regarding the creation of Eve, the implications can be easily proven by the general fact as shown by modern science that the human race is the most genetically related. This can be easily supported by both Christian and Secular sources.

“Others have listed the contradictions between the Bible and the real world. Google it. There are a plethora of web sites that describe the contradictions in exquisite detail. I will simply assert that either the Bible or the Earth is an error and leave it to you to read what others have written if you doubt me.”

There are probably a lot more sources that refute the alleged contradictions Atheists use when it comes to doing productive research. I can cite a few examples if needed.

“Why would God create a universe, write a Bible that described His universe incorrectly, and then give man more than enough intelligence to recognize the myriad falsehoods in the Bible? Is He a fool or a liar?”

Ashley needs to get her facts straight; God did not physically write the Bible. He inspired human beings to take put down his words onto paper to be passed on from generation to generation. If there was one other thing she misses throughout her understanding of science and religion in general it is this: the topic of evolution is not about science vs. religion, it’s about good philosophy vs. bad philosophy. Although she claims to understand the concept of science as a ‘faith,’ the truth of the matter is that she does not mentally comprehend the foundations which scientists use in their discipline. Were these to be understood in the concept of science then, I suppose the information she makes in this post would be more accurate.

Apart from the constant rambling that I find on this post, I would like to mention that there are some obvious things that she points out which are quite right.

“Some men will be especially eager to propagate the lie if it serves their purpose to do so. If a book helps convince ordinary people to tithe their money to support priests, then the priests will venerate that book. They will insist that every word is true. Even if those words contradict what we see in the real world all around us. Those priests will tell us to disbelieve what we see, have faith in their words, and keep doing as we are told.”

And this is exactly one of the dozens of reasons why miracles are necessary; to prove whether the things that were written as ‘God’s Word’ are lies or do they serve as facts. Unlike the other religions of the world, Christianity does have support written by eyewitnesses. It is usually tidbit facts like these that make this religion much more credible than other world religions like Islam and Buddhism. Unfortunately, the secular left seems to emphasize on the world similarities and not accepting the Bible’s keen differences.

“Believing in reality – accepting reality and believing that man can, with enough study, understand what he sees – is the most satisfying spiritual experience that I can imagine. If that means that I must dismiss the petty, foolish gods that religious men have invented, then I count that as a bonus. Seeing no one offering a reasonable God, I see no need to look for a better one myself. He would be superfluous.”

Again, Ashley is right in another sense, namely, that she is among the dozens of individuals who want to live in a world filled with spiritual experiences and everyday miracles. Ironically, the problem with this type of view is that it’s naïve and self-serving. Using her own admission, there is no compelling reason to believe in this God if it’s the same one she looks for: reasonable and superfluous. Among the other things I think she cannot accept is the God she expects to exist in the universe is the very same one that was created using the same methods by the religious men she criticizes: vain invention.

If anyone has ever criticized the God of the Bible, it’s usually because of this reason: because He does not conform to our image. The gods of this World unlike the one Christians have worshipped, do not formulate oneness; instead, the differences create friction and plenty of it.




  1. I think Ashley, like all of us, is searching and seeking and I respect her quest.

    Before dawn each day I meditate on scripture. See my website:, that records my journey in a meditation that I post.

    I guess you might say that my journey has been underway a bit longer than Ashley’s and has taken me from the Bronx, New York, to Poland, India, Beirut during a civil war, Berlin, Afghanistan, and even Saudi Arabia and neighboring countries.

    Yes, the journey has blessed me with a spouse I proposed to one week after I met her and married her in two months, and remained married with all the struggles for almost 40 years when she was struck my an vehicle crossing the street.. I have many children and even more grandchildren.

    The only consistency is my never-ending search, the questions I ask–sometimes provocative, and my growing respect for someone else’s journey.


  2. Oops. You’re right. When I was eight years old, I was taught in Sunday School that God rested on the seventh day. I should have written more carefully. Guess that makes everything that I wrote incorrect (Sorry, I couldn’t resist the sarcasm; I feel bad about taking the cheap shot; But not bad enough to go back and erase it 🙂

    As far as my thinking that atheists are more intellectual than Christians, I’m not sure that I said that. I have met some intellectual Christians, for sure. One example being when I spent a day with a Dean from Oral Roberts University. That obviously highly intelligent man had a Biblical quote for everything. No one ever claimed that C.S.Lewis or Pierre Tielhard de Chardin were either ignorant or stupid. I could continue to name brilliant, educated Christians all night, but you get my point. I don’t think that all Christians lack intellectual prowess. (I do think that you can find an awful lot of anti-intellectual rhetoric in the average Christian church, but that’s not what I was trying to say in my essay. If you want, I could write another essay about that, complete with quotes from published sermons :-).

    But being highly intelligent and well educated does not make someone automatically right. What I am saying in my little essay is that everyone has to look at the world, face up to reality, and make up their own mind. Letting someone else, whether it is an evangelist on television or the Pope in Rome, tell you that reality is wrong is no way to live your life. At least, it’s not the way that I’m going to live my life.

    It’s more work to grapple with all of reality than to blindly accept received wisdom from a self-proclaimed “higher authority” but I am determined to be a realist. So far, that has worked out pretty well for me.

    • haparker321 says:

      Well correcting factual errors definitely helps.

      About Atheist IQ, I can tell you there are numerous other ones that think they are and unfortunately, that is not the case. I find your acquaintance with the Dean from Oral Roberts University quite fascinating; I would not really go to that kind of schooling personally.

      Anti-intellectual rhetoric is quite the fashion nowadays in Christian Churches because the laity do not like it when you delve into
      really serious topics.

      With what you said, I think you may have given quite a different impression.

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